Name that quote: the Bible vs. the Quran

9 thoughts on “Name that quote: the Bible vs. the Quran”

  1. I have read English translations of the Qur’an through twice, as well as reading bits and pieces often and memorizing a few short selected passages in both Arabic and English. Also, over the course of six years, we were in and out of Muslim majority countries quite a bit, typically two week visits, with a few of four to six weeks. In my countless conversations with Christians and Muslims, I have learned that when discussing either of the treasured books, what one quotes from it says more about the person speaking than it says about the books themselves. The Christian who highlights “turn the other cheek, go the extra mile and do good to your enemies,” and the Muslim who emphasizes “…there is no compulsion in religion” (Al-Baqarah 256), or other ayats that stress love, harmony and tranquility, have one perspective on life that shapes the way they see God. That perspective becomes clear by what they say the Bible or the Qur’an teaches. The Christian who is quick to refer, erroneously, to the “cleansing of the Temple,” Jesus telling His disciples they needed a couple of swords (again, used erroneously), or who reference the sadly misinterpreted Jesus of Revelation who is coming back to slaughter His enemies; and the Muslim who quotes similar texts from the Qur’an both have the exact same view of God. That perspective also becomes clear when they disclose what they believe their respective books teach about God and life. So my brothers and sisters from both faiths who have the later perspective stand back and speak misunderstandings about the other, speak condemnation and cause distrust and eventually killing. It comes down to understanding there are only two peoples in this discussion. They are not Christians and Muslims. They are those who have a view of God that causes them to value love and peace, which to them is at the very least integral to the nature of God; and those who have a view of God which causes them to value condemnation and judgment, which they see as integral to the nature of God. Let’s pray for more of the former and fewer of the later.

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  2. Regardless of what obama or anyone else believes, They mention other faiths, but there is only one true faith, which is found in Jesus Christ. Whatever judgement God did in bible times that many see as violent is actually justified. Today’s violent has no justification for only God is judge. The God we serve is not a religion but our creator who brought us a Savior, not a jihadist. At the same time those using the name of God in vain will find God’s judgement against them. Obama seems to accept all faith, just like many so called Christians believe that all faiths lead to God, which is a huge distorted belief. There is only one way to God and that is through Jesus!

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  3. My problem with Obama’s statement is that he resorts to the “No true Scottsman” fallacy. Of course those Crusaders weren’t real Christians! Of course the terrorists aren’t real Muslims! I’m loath to say that anyone is not a real Christian, given the wide variety of practice and belief. It might make me more comfortable to draw a line between myself and my Southern ancestor who was a Klansman, but I think it’s dishonest.

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  4. RELIGIOUS APOLOGISTS
    Already world leaders and religious leaders are making excuses for religion. This happens each and every time a person commits violence in the name of religion.
    When right wing conservatives in America try to pass Christian sharia against women, they are not real Christians.
    When right wing Christian Talibanista’s commit violence at women’s health clinics we hear that they were not real Christians.
    When Christians committed rape, murder and genocide in Bosnia in the name of christianity we were told they were not true Christians and ethnicity was what it was about.
    When Christian conservatives from America go to Africa and promote death of gays we are told they are not real Christians.
    When Muslim extremists commit violence we hear the same excuses.
    “Religion hijacked by these extremists”
    “This has nothing to do with religion”
    WRONG
    This has everything to do with religion.
    Whether it be a Christian, Muslim or any other religion, when acts of violence are committed in a religions name it can be directly laid at the feet of that RELIGION.

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  5. And yet we still have to face the fact that atheists, in the name of their political ideologies, killed more people in the twentieth century than in the all the wars of religion in the previous two thousand years.

    If someone claims to be a Christian then I take that at face value. At least then I can hold up the standard of Jesus and say, “you’re not acting as Jesus would”. Strangely enough I can’t do the same thing with atheists because there is no common moral code or example for atheists.

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  6. A very wishy washy post modern assessment of comparative religion. You can’t understand the meaning of the verses unless you are a practitioner of that religion and even then they mean what you want them to mean. Yes I do get annoyed when the Bible is quoted out of context to condemn Christians because it’s so obvious that the commands given to Israel to destroy the Caananites were for a specific time, place and people. Also Jeremiah 31 clearly outlined that there would be a new and superior covenant given that would replace the Mosaic covenant written on stone with a covenant written on our hearts. Jesus annihilating his enemies in Revelation cannot be used to justify Christian violence as we were commanded to spread the Gospel throughout the world and it’s obvious from Paul’s example that it was by words and reasoning.

    I’ve read the Koran and Hadith of Al Bukhari which is considered the most authoritative Hadith for Sunni Muslims. There are many verses given in full context which are a general call to warfare against unbelievers, for all time everywhere in the world until there is no religion but Islam. The violent bits in the old testament were obviously given to the theocratic state of Israel and limited in time and space. The fact is that muslims are slaughtering non muslims around the world weekly. Just this week off the top of my head there was the Brussels suicide bombing, the suicide bombing against Christians in Pakistan, the kidnapping and beheading of a Catholic priest in Yemen, and the fatal stabbing/beating of a moderate Muslim by exremists because the moderate wished Christians a blessed Easter. Yes there are moderate muslims, but there’s plenty of in context passages in the Koran commanding Jihad against unbelievers until Judgement Day. The reason there are so many moderate muslims who choose to ignore the violent bits is they are so repugnant to our God given conscience.

    Muslims should continue to be held to account until they purge the violence from their religion, which will require them to rewrite it; as it’s so obviously a man made work which lifts many passaged from Jewish and Christian texts and some for Zorastrianism it matters not to me, just as long as Muslims stop butchering Christians. Yes there were a lot of bad things done in the name of Christ historically, but there’s also no doubt that the Church in the Middle ages was a corrupt and perverted form of Christianity and once Christians returned to the Bible only the violence waned.

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  7. All the Bible verses you quoted are Old Testament (with the exception of 1 Timothy, which you quoted deceitfully, knowing he is speaking metaphorically). Christians live under the New Testament. A Testament is a covenant, an agreement with God, and the quotes you gave are relevant only as a matter of historical record.

    The Quran, however, was made by one man in one lifetime for all times.
    Bottom line, their “problem verses” still apply. Ours do not.

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  8. One should deal with religion, not by how the believers behave, but how they *ought* to behave.
    When Christians kill or use violence, it is objectively against the teachings and actions of their founder. They are violating it.
    When muslims kill or use violence, it is objectively in agreement with the teachings and actions of their founder. They are fulfilling it.

    Bad things can be done by people any religion, but only certain religions *approve* of bad things. Only those who are acting in agreement with their religion are the true believers. The Quran says as much.

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