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	<title>Comments on: Shock-jock pastor meets the full (but not so manly) might of the British Empire</title>
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		<title>By: On the much-anticipated demise of the Episcopal Church&#8230; &#124; Ben Irwin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[On the much-anticipated demise of the Episcopal Church&#8230; &#124; Ben Irwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 01:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I hear conservatives interpret mainline Christianity’s decline as proof of God’s disapproval. Mark Driscoll, for example, is fond of comparing the growth rate at his uber-conservative church with that of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I hear conservatives interpret mainline Christianity’s decline as proof of God’s disapproval. Mark Driscoll, for example, is fond of comparing the growth rate at his uber-conservative church with that of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Byrom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Byrom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A brilliant blog entry, Ben, from the hilarious opening image to the thorough scrutiny you give to Driscoll&#039;s incoherent over-reactions.

In particular, note the desperate stupidity of Driscoll&#039;s argument, while he grilled Justin Brierley:

1. Women should not be in charge.
2. To prove this, I will ask Justin a series of questions about his church (asks the questions, none of them show that his wife is doing a bad job)
3. Yea, but, you&#039;ve got a woman in charge!

Driscoll has done some good work, but he&#039;s also a bully. As a result, I no longer trust him and cannot listen to his sermons without an acutely skeptical ear. Plenty of other theologians out there who don&#039;t carry that kind of baggage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brilliant blog entry, Ben, from the hilarious opening image to the thorough scrutiny you give to Driscoll&#8217;s incoherent over-reactions.</p>
<p>In particular, note the desperate stupidity of Driscoll&#8217;s argument, while he grilled Justin Brierley:</p>
<p>1. Women should not be in charge.<br />
2. To prove this, I will ask Justin a series of questions about his church (asks the questions, none of them show that his wife is doing a bad job)<br />
3. Yea, but, you&#8217;ve got a woman in charge!</p>
<p>Driscoll has done some good work, but he&#8217;s also a bully. As a result, I no longer trust him and cannot listen to his sermons without an acutely skeptical ear. Plenty of other theologians out there who don&#8217;t carry that kind of baggage.</p>
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		<title>By: So, who&#8217;s up for a little theocracy? &#171; Ben Irwin&#039;s blog</title>
		<link>http://benirwin.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/shock-jock-pasto-meets-the-full-but-not-so-manly-might-of-the-british-empire/#comment-581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[So, who&#8217;s up for a little theocracy? &#171; Ben Irwin&#039;s blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and by the way: in response to Mark Driscoll&#8217;s claim that Britain doesn&#8217;t have &#8220;one young, good Bible teacher” who&#8217;s well-known . . [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and by the way: in response to Mark Driscoll&#8217;s claim that Britain doesn&#8217;t have &#8220;one young, good Bible teacher” who&#8217;s well-known . . [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Irwin</title>
		<link>http://benirwin.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/shock-jock-pasto-meets-the-full-but-not-so-manly-might-of-the-british-empire/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Irwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Heather...read your post as well and appreciated it, esp. your observation about the woman at the well in John&#039;s gospel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Heather&#8230;read your post as well and appreciated it, esp. your observation about the woman at the well in John&#8217;s gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Bit of a Brit Controversy</title>
		<link>http://benirwin.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/shock-jock-pasto-meets-the-full-but-not-so-manly-might-of-the-british-empire/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Bit of a Brit Controversy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Again, I was introduced to the entire issue by an article by Jonathan Martin which I thought was excellent in terms of its defense of women in ministry and leadership. Here&#8217;s one more good review of the issue by Ben Irwin. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Again, I was introduced to the entire issue by an article by Jonathan Martin which I thought was excellent in terms of its defense of women in ministry and leadership. Here&#8217;s one more good review of the issue by Ben Irwin. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Celoria</title>
		<link>http://benirwin.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/shock-jock-pasto-meets-the-full-but-not-so-manly-might-of-the-british-empire/#comment-566</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heather Celoria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, I really appreciate it and will add a link to my two cents on this issue...http://letthemhavedominion.com/blog/2012/01/a-bit-of-a-brit-controversy/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, I really appreciate it and will add a link to my two cents on this issue&#8230;<a href="http://letthemhavedominion.com/blog/2012/01/a-bit-of-a-brit-controversy/" rel="nofollow">http://letthemhavedominion.com/blog/2012/01/a-bit-of-a-brit-controversy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jaktheking</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jaktheking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark is screaming because the whole thing is &quot;to stoke the fires of controversy, thereby increasing readership, which generates advertising revenue...(blah blah blah)&quot;.

Wait.  Why does this formula look so familiar? (thinking......) (controversy = increased traffic = revenue) (Oh yeah!) It&#039;s because it looks exactly like every ____ thing Mark has ever done.

Whew.  I&#039;m glad Mark has a grip on exactly what&#039;s happening here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark is screaming because the whole thing is &#8220;to stoke the fires of controversy, thereby increasing readership, which generates advertising revenue&#8230;(blah blah blah)&#8221;.</p>
<p>Wait.  Why does this formula look so familiar? (thinking&#8230;&#8230;) (controversy = increased traffic = revenue) (Oh yeah!) It&#8217;s because it looks exactly like every ____ thing Mark has ever done.</p>
<p>Whew.  I&#8217;m glad Mark has a grip on exactly what&#8217;s happening here.</p>
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		<title>By: aaronkreider</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aaronkreider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben,

Good work - I quite enjoyed this post; accurate and entertaining.

-Aaron]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Good work &#8211; I quite enjoyed this post; accurate and entertaining.</p>
<p>-Aaron</p>
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		<title>By: WenatcheeTheHatchet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WenatcheeTheHatchet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That John Stott died at 90 having never married might also have been considered a count against him by the metric of Markulinity.  

What&#039;s most puzzling as a former member who heard his 2005 atonement series indebted to Stott&#039;s work, Driscoll used to say there was no one way to understand the fullness of the atonement and that all the theories of atonement had something valuable to contribute.  So &quot;now&quot; PSA must be the primary lens through which to understand the atonement?  An Eastern Orthodox friend of mine told me last year that even in Eastern Orthodoxy penal substitutionary atonement is a given, but it&#039;s not given the same emphasis it has received in Western Christian thought. I may be a Calvinist but emphasizing PSA at the expense of christus exemplar is crazy and it&#039;s even crazier knowing that Mark preached on christus exemplar years ago.  It was one of his better sermons.  When Mark lays aside his fear of liberal/feminine theology cooties he can do some good preaching.

If Driscoll conflates a difference in emphasis for an absence then someone could ask him why, in fifteen years, he&#039;s never done much with sermons on biblical poems that didn&#039;t involve sex.  11 weeks on Song of Songs, one or two sermons on the Magnificat.  No sermons on Psalm 139.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That John Stott died at 90 having never married might also have been considered a count against him by the metric of Markulinity.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s most puzzling as a former member who heard his 2005 atonement series indebted to Stott&#8217;s work, Driscoll used to say there was no one way to understand the fullness of the atonement and that all the theories of atonement had something valuable to contribute.  So &#8220;now&#8221; PSA must be the primary lens through which to understand the atonement?  An Eastern Orthodox friend of mine told me last year that even in Eastern Orthodoxy penal substitutionary atonement is a given, but it&#8217;s not given the same emphasis it has received in Western Christian thought. I may be a Calvinist but emphasizing PSA at the expense of christus exemplar is crazy and it&#8217;s even crazier knowing that Mark preached on christus exemplar years ago.  It was one of his better sermons.  When Mark lays aside his fear of liberal/feminine theology cooties he can do some good preaching.</p>
<p>If Driscoll conflates a difference in emphasis for an absence then someone could ask him why, in fifteen years, he&#8217;s never done much with sermons on biblical poems that didn&#8217;t involve sex.  11 weeks on Song of Songs, one or two sermons on the Magnificat.  No sermons on Psalm 139.</p>
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		<title>By: Nephos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nephos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Smiling is for women&quot; . . . and a smugly disinterested sneer is the proper facial expression for men?  No matter your theological positions on these issues, Driscoll&#039;s antagonistic, abrasive manner is unacceptable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Smiling is for women&#8221; . . . and a smugly disinterested sneer is the proper facial expression for men?  No matter your theological positions on these issues, Driscoll&#8217;s antagonistic, abrasive manner is unacceptable.</p>
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